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#21 Keep the Show on the Road!

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 04:42 PM

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Here is the spring with a fence around it, about 200 yard west of the other picture. That looked like a cottenwood tree to me in the other picture.

I can't believe that the first picture on the other post counts on the 500k.


Dale,

I am 90% sure you are on to something. George Stewart took a photograph of Tie House and included it in his treasured US 40 book.

Frank Brusca has a terrific web site devoted to the highway at:

http://www.route40.net/index.shtml

He is working on photographing some of Stewart’s sites. I hope you will contact him.

I have posted below Stewart’s photos and text about Tie House. I have examined the site in Google Earth and can easily ID the hill in the distance that shows in Stewart’s photo and the Stone House Well that is on the Delorme map. I am 90% confident that your photo was taken at the site of the Tie House and Plank Spring, so I hope you can return and see if you can match Stewart’s photo.

(BTW, your comment about photo storage is a long time problem, and the fault of the Invision folks who provide the forum host site, not American Road. There are some workarounds, but it remains a thorn)

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 02:56 PM

Sorry not to get back to you sooner, Dave. That picture is where I was at. Next year I can walk up the hill and take the same picture for you.

I'm at Illipah Res, NV now, next week I'm planning on taking the 1913 Lincoln Highway from Moorman Ranch to Ruth, Nevada.

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 03:42 PM

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Sorry not to get back to you sooner, Dave. That picture is where I was at. Next year I can walk up the hill and take the same picture for you.

I'm at Illipah Res, NV now, next week I'm planning on taking the 1913 Lincoln Highway from Moorman Ranch to Ruth, Nevada.


Dale,

I have not been on that section, but I know the route. I have been on most of the Lincoln in Nevada, but didn't try that very early section in a sedan!

What are you using as your guide(s)?

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:37 PM

Hey Dave, I have been using Garmin MapSource 2008 and Benchmark Nevada book.

Was checking out parts of Lincoln hwy east of Schellbourne to Stone House in the pickup and was all graded roads. Planning on driving to
Ibapah after going to salt falts and seeing the motorcycles race.

Still haven't gone between Moorman's Ranch & Ruth, Nevada. Friend was trying to find it from Ruth to Moorman's Ranch and
was stopped by mining company fences. Next week we will try from Moorman's and should get over Jakes Summit.

The section from Illipah west goes up a dirt road to almost Hamilton and follows another main dirt road down to the turnoff to Belmont Mill. Can't find
anything about Rosevear's Ranch. Lincoln Hwy web site says the highway than went over White Pine Summit before going over Pancake Summit. You wouldn't have to pass another summit as it is flat between there???

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:32 PM

QUOTE (DaleS @ Aug 23 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Dave, I have been using Garmin MapSource 2008 and Benchmark Nevada book.

Was checking out parts of Lincoln hwy east of Schellbourne to Stone House in the pickup and was all graded roads. Planning on driving to
Ibapah after going to salt falts and seeing the motorcycles race.

Still haven't gone between Moorman's Ranch & Ruth, Nevada. Friend was trying to find it from Ruth to Moorman's Ranch and
was stopped by mining company fences. Next week we will try from Moorman's and should get over Jakes Summit.

The section from Illipah west goes up a dirt road to almost Hamilton and follows another main dirt road down to the turnoff to Belmont Mill. Can't find
anything about Rosevear's Ranch. Lincoln Hwy web site says the highway than went over White Pine Summit before going over Pancake Summit. You wouldn't have to pass another summit as it is flat between there???

Dale


Dale,

I was out in that area last summer and while I didn't get as specific as you are in you're search there was a few things that I did discover.

I doubt very much that you will find Ruth. That area is all open pit copper mines that have expanded greatly over the last 70 years. From the east the road ends at a mining operation and from the west I suspect that you would have the same result. If Ruth is there it is not in its original location at the time of the Lincoln.

We did explore the area around Hamilton and were on gravel roads that were marked as Lincoln Highway. We didn't make it to Belmont Mills though.

Good luck and good hunting, I look forward to hearing what you find.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 08:52 PM

Dale,

Sounds like you are in road lover’s paradise! And you have "rattled Roadhound's chain" wink.gif so you have an excellent authority available!

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“The section from Illipah west goes up a dirt road to almost Hamilton and follows another main dirt road down to the turnoff to Belmont Mill. Can't find
anything about Rosevear's Ranch. Lincoln Hwy web site says the highway than went over White Pine Summit before going over Pancake Summit. You wouldn't have to pass another summit as it is flat between there???”


Unless it has disappeared since my last visit the remains of Rosevear's are at 39.35214, -115.37127 on the right of the current highway westbound.

The picturesque stone building you see was a storage shed. A hotel was operated here for several years serving stage coaches. Locals say that it was in operation as late as 1916, but the Lincoln Highway guide for 1916 states “Ranch not open. No accommodations. “ The hotel was operated by Alice Shekel who provided rooms and meals. Remnants of other buildings were removed by the Nevada State Highway Dept when the site was used to store road materials. (Credit for this info to the Ely, Nevada Lincoln Highway folks)

I’ll look at maps and see what there is to see about “summits!” And I have yet to check a couple of other great sources...Brian Butkos' Greetings from the Lincoln Highway and The Lincoln Highway - Nevada by Gregory M Franzwa and Jesse G Petersen.

Keep us posted!

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 11:02 PM

Dale,

I did a little map work and came up with this based on Franzwa’s maps

Take a look at 39.3140, -115.4613 give or take a little. The road has climbed about 700-800 feet westbound and crosses a pass (White Pine Pass). From there the 1913 road went to Hamilton, or you could shortcut westward to 6 Mile House and over Pancake Summit which is about 39.3184 -115.7224.

The guide mileage from Rosevear’s to White Pine Pass also match..

I plotted the 1913 route on Google Earth, and could give you the coordinates if they are useful…but you no doubt have them.

Keep in touch!!

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 03:38 PM


Thanks for the info, Dave.

I just got back from a ride in Jakes Valley near Moorman's Ranch to Ruth on the 1915-1916 Lincoln Hwy.
When I get URLs on the pictures I took, I'll post them and a story in a new thread in the Lincoln Hwy section of this forum.


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Posted 24 August 2008 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (DaleS @ Aug 24 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the info, Dave.

I just got back from a ride in Jakes Valley near Moorman's Ranch to Ruth on the 1915-1916 Lincoln Hwy.
When I get URLs on the pictures I took, I'll post them and a story in a new thread in the Lincoln Hwy section of this forum.


Dale,

Sounds great. I'll be looking for the photos!

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Posted 24 December 2008 - 09:05 AM

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George Stewart’s US 40 book identifies a “Tie House” (constructed of ties) a few miles west of Valmy. His quote follows:

“A few miles west of Valmy a spur of a mountain juts out close to the highway and on its slope a miner (his claim is a little way up the mountainside) has constructed a typical Nevada house.”


Thomas & Geraldine Vale's U.S. 40 Today shows that the Tie House had burned down by 1980. "Two of the four planted poplars that drew water from the spring were destroyed by the fire; one is standing, and the other is reduced to a blackened stump. The two pines at the left in the earlier photo, which Stewart observed to be less typical of the region and not thriving, have been replaced by native cottonwoods. The grass growing around the spring and previously protected from wayward cattle now has thickened and spread beyond the downed barbed wire fence and into the foreground..."

In the 1980 photo, there is a cement foundation that looks like what appears in DaleS's picture. Two strips of (presumably) interstate highway cross the picture in the middle distance.

Edited by Mark G Simon, 24 December 2008 - 09:18 AM.


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Posted 24 December 2008 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Mark G Simon @ Dec 24 2008, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thomas & Geraldine Vale's U.S. 40 Today shows that the Tie House had burned down by 1980. "Two of the four planted poplars that drew water from the spring were destroyed by the fire; one is standing, and the other is reduced to a blackened stump. The two pines at the left in the earlier photo, which Stewart observed to be less typical of the region and not thriving, have been replaced by native cottonwoods. The grass growing around the spring and previously protected from wayward cattle now has thickened and spread beyond the downed barbed wire fence and into the foreground..."

In the 1980 photo, there is a cement foundation that looks like what appears in DaleS's picture. Two strips of (presumably) interstate highway cross the picture in the middle distance.


Mark,

First, a big WELCOME!

Second, thanks for the excellent research and description! You have enterer this "select" group with a fine entry for our collective enjoyment!

If you get time, I think there is a place under general discussion where you can introduce yourself and share a few of your road interests!

Thanks again for a great addition to the forum!

Dave

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