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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "bugo" <bugo@h...> wrote:

 

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> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roaddog_rt66"

 

> > We visited Kansas City once and went to a place I think was called

 

> > Arthur something or another. It is a very famous place, but I

 

can't

 

> > remember the name right now. This was fantastic stuff and came

 

> > piled high on a bun. It served as lunch the next day.

 

>

 

> Arthur Bryant's. The sauces there are really odd, not like any BBQ

 

> I've ever had.

 

>

 

Thanks for the name. That was a unique place and I'll go back when

 

I'm in KC again.

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I've been to many a fine BBQ joint in my time, but still have not found BBQ

 

that compares to that found in Dexter, MO...the sauce is not the issue; it

 

is all smoked, it is all good! Hickory Log has a fine chew it on the bone

 

type rib; Dexter BBQ has a fine "fall off the bone meat" type rib; Leon's

 

Dexter Queen has a fine BBQ sandwich; and the 225 Liquor Store has some

 

excellent BBQ chicken. Dexter is on US 60 between Poplar Bluff and

 

Sikeston...after you have filled yer gullet, rest a spell at the Hickory

 

House Motel...long live pig! Tsingtao Kip

 

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> > We visited Kansas City once and went to a place I think was called

 

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> I've ever had.

 

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I live in the northeast corner, about eight miles from the Wisconsin

 

border. Last summer, we did the National Road from one end of

 

Illinois to the other. Mighty pretty land. RoadDog

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <thehinge@m...> wrote:

 

>

 

> And by the way, Roaddog, where do you live in Illinois? My

 

> extended family almost entirely live within a fifty mile

 

> radius of Effingham on the US 40/I-70 corridor.

 

>

 

> My parents both grew up in that area. I live in

 

> Wilmington, DE, where I grew up.

 

>

 

> Matt Smallwood

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:07:47 -0000

 

> "roaddog_rt66" <roaddog_rt66@y...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Eastern NC barbeque is like none other that I've ever had

 

> > and unless

 

> > a person has tried it, it would be hard to explain, but

 

> > I'll try. I

 

> > know Matt knows what it is, because Parker's is every bit

 

> > as good as

 

> > Wilber's.  I probably shouldn't have said that as in

 

> > eastern

 

> > Carolina, this could be cause for a shootin' war as

 

> > people take

 

> > their bbq very seriously. Plus, I was born in Goldsboro

 

> > and spent a

 

> > lot of my early life there.

 

> >

 

> > First, it is pulled pork, not beef.  Then it has a

 

> > vinegarbase

 

> > instead of tomato and cooked for a long time over hickory

 

> > wood.  My

 

> > own favorite way to eat it is with coleslaw sharing the

 

> > fork at the

 

> > same mouthful so I always order double on the slaw and

 

> > forego the

 

> > potato salad.

 

> >

 

> > Greensboro to Goldsboro is probably a little over 100

 

> > miles. 

 

> > However, if you come across a Smithfield's Barbeque

 

> > anywhere, go to

 

> > that as I like it too.  There are quite a few

 

> > Smithfield's BBQ

 

> > places.  I just went on the internet and they have a

 

> > site at

 

> > http://www.smithfieldschicken.com.html  I see there

 

> > are ones in

 

> > Raleigh and Garner, a lot closer to Greensboro.  You

 

> > can find their

 

> > locations on the site.

 

> >

 

> > I have also heard there is a bit of controversy

 

> > concerning the

 

> > relative merits of bbq from the eastern and western parts

 

> > of NC.

 

> >

 

> > I think it would be great if we could get some of that

 

> > great eastern

 

> > Carolina bbq here in Illinois.

 

> >

 

> > By the way, what is a Merlefest?  Merle Haggard?

 

> >

 

> > Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. -- RoadDog

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com,

 

> > thehinge@m... wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > I know what you're talking about, roaddog. 

 

> > Ever been to

 

> > > Parker's BBQ in Wilson, NC.? It's very good, too. I

 

> > may fly

 

> > > into Greensboro for the Merlefest music fest this

 

> > > spring...how far is Goldsboro from Greensboro?

 

> > >

 

> > > Matt Smallwood

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:44:39 -0000

 

> > >  "roaddog_rt66"

 

> > roaddog_rt66@y... wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Remember to check out some of that great

 

> > eastern North

 

> > > > Carolina

 

> > > > barbeque, push it around with hushpuppies, and

 

> > wash it

 

> > > > down with

 

> > > > sweet tea.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > On your way back, if you have time, take US 70

 

> > and stop

 

> > > > at Wilber's

 

> > > > BarbeQue on the US-70 bypass in Goldsboro,

 

> > NC.&nbsp; Not

 

> > > > only is the bbq

 

> > > > superb, but the interior is pure southern

 

> > dining at its

 

> > > > finest.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Go downtown and check out the Record Rack

 

> > which, sadly to

 

> > > > say, is

 

> > > > closing after operating since 1972.&nbsp;

 

> > You can pick up

 

> > > > some Beach

 

> > > > Music CDs and Stan Hartley will be happy to

 

> > assist you in

 

> > > > your

 

> > > > selection.&nbsp; I hate to see another of

 

> > the mom and pop

 

> > > > record stores

 

> > > > closing.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > You might be wondering just what Beach Music

 

> > is.&nbsp;

 

> > > > Most of you

 

> > > > probably immediately thought of the Beach Boys

 

> > or Jan and

 

> > > > Dean.&nbsp;

 

> > > > That would be very wrong.&nbsp; It is

 

> > R&amp;B and many

 

> > > > other influences

 

> > > > dating from the 50s to the present. It has a

 

> > very

 

> > > > distinct beat you

 

> > > > can dance to.&nbsp; The dance is called the

 

> > Shag (NC's

 

> > > > state dance), and

 

> > > > I'm not talking about the shag in

 

> > England.&nbsp; It is

 

> > > > sort of like a

 

> > > > slow bop.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > To get a good idea of it, and you go to

 

> > beachshag on the

 

> > > > internet

 

> > > > and listen to Fessa John Hook's Endless Summer

 

> > > > network.&nbsp;

 

> > > > http://www.beachshag.com

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Also, check out the Fort Fisher Museum near the

 

> > end of

 

> > > > 421.&nbsp; This is

 

> > > > a little-known, but very pivotal battle near

 

> > the end of

 

> > > > the Civil

 

> > > > War.&nbsp; Right now, they have an

 

> > Armstrong 100 pdr.

 

> > > > cannon on temporary

 

> > > > loan from West Point as well as a Whitworth

 

> > cannon, one

 

> > > > of the most

 

> > > > advanced pieces of artillery at the

 

> > time.&nbsp; You can

 

> > > > also learn about

 

> > > > the blockade and blockade-running.

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway and a Happy

 

> > New

 

> > > > Year.--RoadDog

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > -- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com,

 

> > &quot;Bob

 

> > > > Reynolds&quot;

 

> > > > roustabout@s... wrote:

 

> > > > &gt;

 

> > > > &gt; --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com,

 

> > &quot;Russell

 

> > > > S. Rein&quot;

 

> > > > &gt; Ypsi-slim@j... wrote:

 

> > > > &gt; &gt;

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; I can't remember but I

 

> > believe I was on it

 

> > > > today.&nbsp; This is day 3

 

> > > > of

 

> > > > &gt; my US

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; 421 trip.

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; Started out Thursday in

 

> > Michigan City, IN and

 

> > > > made it into

 

> > > > &gt; Wilmington, NC

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; tonite.

 

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> > > > &gt; &gt; On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:36:32

 

> > EST

 

> > > > egyptianzipper@a... writes:

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; In a message dated 12/31/05

 

> > 9:58:34 AM Eastern

 

> > > > Standard Time,

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; hester_nec@y... writes:

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; I have a trivia question for

 

> > everyone this

 

> > > > morning - where doe U

 

> > > > S

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; highways 60, 61 and 62

 

> > intersect???

 

> > > > &gt; &gt;

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

>

 

====================================================================

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; And where to US routes 221,

 

> > 321 and 421

 

> > > > intersect?

 

> > > > &gt; &gt;

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; Tom Hoffman

 

> > > > &gt; &gt; Pearisburg VA

 

> > > > &gt; &gt;

 

> > > > &gt; &gt;

 

> > > > &gt; &gt;

 

> > > > &gt; That would be Boone, NC

 

> > > > &gt;

 

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That will be a place to go in 2007 after I retire from teaching. By

 

the way, if you know anyone who likes the movie Groundhog Day, and

 

lives in northeast Illinois or is willing to drive, Woodstock has a

 

festival honoring where the movie was filmed the weekend before

 

Groundhog Day.

 

 

 

A whole lot of the movie was filmed on location. The last two

 

years, we had people involved with the movie give tours and provide

 

interesting insight. Two years ago it was the actor who played

 

Ned, "Watch that first step. it's a doozie" and last year the site

 

manager. RoadDog

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, <thehinge@m...> wrote:

 

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> Merlefest was named after Merle Watson, the deceased

 

> brother to Doc Watson, the North Carolina folk singer.

 

> It's held the last weekend of April (Thurs-Sunday) on the

 

> campus of Wilkes Community College in North Wilkesboro, NC.

 

> 40-50 acts attend every year. If you like bluegrasss and

 

> old-timey country music, I highly recommend the festival.

 

>

 

> North Wilkesboro about 60 miles east of Winston-Salem on US

 

> 421, so it's an easy drive from that area. I definitely

 

> plan on attending this spring. Check out the list of

 

> musicians at merlefest.org, Roaddog.

 

>

 

> Matt Smallwood

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:07:47 -0000

 

> "roaddog_rt66" <roaddog_rt66@y...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Eastern NC barbeque is like none other that I've ever had

 

> > and unless

 

> > a person has tried it, it would be hard to explain, but

 

> > I'll try. I

 

> > know Matt knows what it is, because Parker's is every bit

 

> > as good as

 

> > Wilber's.  I probably shouldn't have said that as in

 

> > eastern

 

> > Carolina, this could be cause for a shootin' war as

 

> > people take

 

> > their bbq very seriously. Plus, I was born in Goldsboro

 

> > and spent a

 

> > lot of my early life there.

 

> >

 

> > First, it is pulled pork, not beef.  Then it has a

 

> > vinegarbase

 

> > instead of tomato and cooked for a long time over hickory

 

> > wood.  My

 

> > own favorite way to eat it is with coleslaw sharing the

 

> > fork at the

 

> > same mouthful so I always order double on the slaw and

 

> > forego the

 

> > potato salad.

 

> >

 

> > Greensboro to Goldsboro is probably a little over 100

 

> > miles. 

 

> > However, if you come across a Smithfield's Barbeque

 

> > anywhere, go to

 

> > that as I like it too.  There are quite a few

 

> > Smithfield's BBQ

 

> > places.  I just went on the internet and they have a

 

> > site at

 

> > http://www.smithfieldschicken.com.html  I see there

 

> > are ones in

 

> > Raleigh and Garner, a lot closer to Greensboro.  You

 

> > can find their

 

> > locations on the site.

 

> >

 

> > I have also heard there is a bit of controversy

 

> > concerning the

 

> > relative merits of bbq from the eastern and western parts

 

> > of NC.

 

> >

 

> > I think it would be great if we could get some of that

 

> > great eastern

 

> > Carolina bbq here in Illinois.

 

> >

 

> > By the way, what is a Merlefest?  Merle Haggard?

 

> >

 

> > Keep on Down that Two Lane Highway. -- RoadDog

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com,

 

> > thehinge@m... wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > I know what you're talking about, roaddog. 

 

> > Ever been to

 

> > > Parker's BBQ in Wilson, NC.? It's very good, too. I

 

> > may fly

 

> > > into Greensboro for the Merlefest music fest this

 

> > > spring...how far is Goldsboro from Greensboro?

 

> > >

 

> > > Matt Smallwood

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:44:39 -0000

 

> > >  "roaddog_rt66"

 

> > roaddog_rt66@y... wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Remember to check out some of that great

 

> > eastern North

 

> > > > Carolina

 

> > > > barbeque, push it around with hushpuppies, and

 

> > wash it

 

> > > > down with

 

> > > > sweet tea.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > On your way back, if you have time, take US 70

 

> > and stop

 

> > > > at Wilber's

 

> > > > BarbeQue on the US-70 bypass in Goldsboro,

 

> > NC.&nbsp; Not

 

> > > > only is the bbq

 

> > > > superb, but the interior is pure southern

 

> > dining at its

 

> > > > finest.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Go downtown and check out the Record Rack

 

> > which, sadly to

 

> > > > say, is

 

> > > > closing after operating since 1972.&nbsp;

 

> > You can pick up

 

> > > > some Beach

 

> > > > Music CDs and Stan Hartley will be happy to

 

> > assist you in

 

> > > > your

 

> > > > selection.&nbsp; I hate to see another of

 

> > the mom and pop

 

> > > > record stores

 

> > > > closing.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > You might be wondering just what Beach Music

 

> > is.&nbsp;

 

> > > > Most of you

 

> > > > probably immediately thought of the Beach Boys

 

> > or Jan and

 

> > > > Dean.&nbsp;

 

> > > > That would be very wrong.&nbsp; It is

 

> > R&amp;B and many

 

> > > > other influences

 

> > > > dating from the 50s to the present. It has a

 

> > very

 

> > > > distinct beat you

 

> > > > can dance to.&nbsp; The dance is called the

 

> > Shag (NC's

 

> > > > state dance), and

 

> > > > I'm not talking about the shag in

 

> > England.&nbsp; It is

 

> > > > sort of like a

 

> > > > slow bop.

 

> > > >

 

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Guest Ken -

I think he is referring to the section of road between Gray Summit and the old

 

Diamond's Restaurant. MO100 joined US50/66 at Gray Summit (going west) until

 

the old Diamond's where MO100 veered to right (currently street signed as "Old

 

Hwy 100") and US50/66 continue to the left. This was true until I-44 was built

 

(not sure of the year but think it was in the late 60's).

 

 

 

Ken

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:56:43 -0600

 

From: "David Backlin"

 

Subject: Re: Re: Road Trips Trivia Question

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: "bugo"

 

To:

 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:44 PM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Road Trips Trivia Question

 

 

 

 

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

 

>>

 

>> Anyone know if MO 94, which runs along the Missouri River,

 

>> used to be signed as a US highway?

 

>

 

> I'm pretty sure it wasn't, but its southern

 

> counterpart, MO 100, was once signed as US 50

 

> east of the US 50/I-44 split.

 

 

 

 

 

Also US66 from 1926-1932 ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Denny Gibson

Welcome to the group and thanks for verifying that Baker's is what it looks

 

like. You can't beat hearing from someone who has actually stayed at a

 

motel.

 

 

 

I have visited the National Road Museum and it and the road itself are what

 

draws me to that area. And it is Baker's proximity to the museum that

 

attracted me to it. I've also stopped at the Glenn house twice but it was

 

closed both times. No fault of theirs - just bad timing on my part.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: Cristy [mailto:clfritz@yahoo.com]

 

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:41 PM

 

> To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

> Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Question about Baker's Motel - Zanesville

 

>

 

>

 

> I was not a member during the original discussion so I don't know if I

 

> am repeating anything. I stayed at the Baker a couple of years ago. It

 

> is a standard motel, was clean and reasonably priced. There is a

 

> restaurant very near the motel but it changes hands frequently and can

 

> be open or closed. I'm not sure of its current status. The museum is

 

> nice but small. I love the history of the National Road but only spent

 

> an hour there. The location is great. Its close to Zanesville where

 

> you can explore all of the potteries (bypass the tourist outlet ones

 

> on the freeway and go in town to the real working potteries). Of

 

> course you have the national road, with some mile markers still there

 

> and s-bridges if you go north toward New Concord. The John Glenn home

 

> is open in New Concord also.

 

>

 

> Cristy

 

> London, Ohio

 

>

 

> --- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Back in August okydokey89 (a.k.a. Jabba) asked about motels near

 

> Zanesville,

 

> > OH. The discussion was sort of steered toward Baker's near the National

 

> > Road/Zane Grey Museum. I don't recall any subsequent report and it

 

> appears

 

> > that okydokey89 is no longer a member of the group - at least not by

 

> that

 

> > name. Has anyone (including Jabba) learned anything about Baker's since

 

> > August (or before, even)? From the web, it looks promising and, unless I

 

> > hear something here to dissuade me, I'll probably stay there some

 

> time this

 

> > spring.

 

> >

 

> > Denny Gibson

 

> > Cincinnati, OH

 

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Guest Scott Piotrowski

Three words for you:

 

Soda

 

Pop

 

Stop

 

 

 

Soda Pop Stop and Galco's Old World Market in Highland Park (Los

 

Angeles), California, can be found online at www.sodapopstop.com or

 

in the Federation News a couple of years ago, when I wrote an

 

article about them. The business has around 500 different sodas

 

from across the country, many of them the old-fashioned recipes.

 

They are located just off of US-66, about halfway between the

 

Construction and Alternate Alignments. Let them know I sent you!

 

 

 

Scott Piotrowski, Director

 

66 Productions

 

www.66productions.com

 

 

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "roaddog_rt66"

 

<roaddog_rt66@...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Or is it? The next time you're tooling down the road, or in your

 

> neighborhood, stop in at a Mexican grocery store and order a

 

Mexican

 

> Coca Cola. Ask for one at your favorite Mexican eatery.

 

>

 

> In an article from the Medill News Service, Juan Carlos Hernandez

 

> states that a Coke from Mexico is not like one you get from the

 

US.

 

> According to him, besides coming in a bottle (and it won't be long

 

> before our kids won't even know what a bottle of pop is other than

 

> special editions), Mexican Coke includes sugar made from

 

sugarcane.

 

> This is a lot sweeter than US Coke which gets its sweetness from

 

corn

 

> syrup.

 

>

 

> It will cost a bit more, but, I believe variety is the spice of

 

life.

 

> I, myself, haven't tried one yet. Perhaps we can get some insight

 

> from someone.

 

>

 

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Guest jerrymc66

Ron,

 

 

 

Thanks for asking about the release date of the new guidebook, but right now

 

"later this year" is as approximate as I can get!

 

 

 

I'll keep you posted. IWe should be able to narrow the date down after I get

 

back from the final research trips (got to make sure its up to date!)

 

 

 

Jerry

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Message: 1

 

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:07:26 -0000

 

From: "rwarn17588" <RWarn17588@aol.com>

 

Subject: Re: New Guidebook to Rte 66

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "jerrymc66" <jerrymc66@p...>

 

wrote:

 

> Press Release

 

>

 

> 2-25-2004

 

>

 

> Announcing the coming of a brand new Guidebook to Route 66!

 

>

 

 

 

Any approximate dates on the release date of this book, Jerry?

 

 

 

Ron Warnick

 

Belleville, IL

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Guest Matt Smallwood

Sorry, I missed this email before, Dave. See, I'm a member of like five groups

 

at any time and I switch inboxes, get the weekly posts, and read on the websites

 

now and then when I get more than like one or two messages a day from a single

 

group. That tends to be too much load for me....lol. I should be a little more

 

industrious, I suppose.

 

 

 

Yeah, I couldn't keep track of all those groups....lol. You'd almost have to

 

check the inbox on the sites at a few a day, huh. Some are busier than others,

 

this I know I'm in the Route 40 group and it's traffic typically peters out to

 

almost nothing in the winter months...not even one posting a month. Me and Pat

 

B. from Indiana noticed that last month. I lost my old yahoo user name a few

 

months ago and thought I might not be a member of that group as my Yahoo inbox

 

didn't exist any more. He said, nope, there had only been like one Route 40

 

post since November.

 

 

 

Of course, yahoo does make it a little easier for everyone by giving us the

 

groups home page with all the memberships. You are my personal idol with the

 

amount of information that you take in.....lol.

 

 

 

Matt Smallwood

 

----- Original Message -----

 

From: D Gardner

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:13 AM

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: Yahoo Categorization?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Matt,

 

 

 

<sigh> I guess I'm an information junkie...(being a technical

 

editor/writer, a former homeschooler and public school teacher, a

 

freelance writer, and a son of two English teachers/librarians...

 

hasn't really given me much hope in burying out of my books and

 

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I have about 120 groups--most of them I read only at the website (no

 

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such... some are for my professional organizations (Prepaid Legal,

 

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Gardening, American Road! <grin>, Photography, Novel Writing)... and

 

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Russian. Tropical Islands and Beaches, Snorkeling, SCUBA Diving,

 

Trekking)....

 

 

 

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That part of Ohio is a great part of the National Road. There are

 

still some original mile markers (I have pictures of every one in

 

Ohio) S-bridges, original bridges and if you are observant, you can

 

find parts of the original road. Norwich (the small town near the

 

motel) was the site of the first recorded fatality on the National

 

Road. Enjoy your trip.

 

 

 

Cristy

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Welcome to the group and thanks for verifying that Baker's is what

 

it looks

 

> like. You can't beat hearing from someone who has actually stayed at a

 

> motel.

 

>

 

> I have visited the National Road Museum and it and the road itself

 

are what

 

> draws me to that area. And it is Baker's proximity to the museum that

 

> attracted me to it. I've also stopped at the Glenn house twice but

 

it was

 

> closed both times. No fault of theirs - just bad timing on my part.

 

>

 

> --Denny

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I'm so looking forward to this latest Pixar movie.

 

A Coke 600 weekend for my Birthday?

 

Coming up on the 20th anniversary of my inaugural trip to Charlotte.

 

... Chris

 

 

 

______________________________________________

 

 

 

Gentlemen, start the projector?

 

 

 

Track looking to reel in world premiere of the animated movie 'Cars'

 

ADAM BELL AND LAWRENCE TOPPMAN

 

abell@charlotteobserver.comltoppman@charlotteobserver.com

 

 

 

H.A. "Humpy" Wheeler is negotiating to bring "Cars" to Lowe's Motor

 

Speedway -- as in the world premiere of Pixar's latest

 

computer-animated film, "Cars."

 

 

 

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Okay, I'm an idiot....didn't bother to look there...lol.

 

Thanks, Pat.

 

 

 

Matt Smallwood

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:23:50 -0000

 

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Guest Denny Gibson

Sorry. We had already left Cave City when I saw you message. I did chat with

 

Ivan and he did remember the Bremers. He also mentioned that recent visitors

 

included the Discovery Channel and a Kentucky newspaper.

 

 

 

We spent three nights in "two-two" (wigwam #2 in Wigwam Village #2) and

 

enjoyed it in spite of the rain. My girlfriend Chris is planning on

 

returning soon with her grand-kids. Pictures of the village and a few other

 

spots around Cave City are up at http://www.dennygibson.com/bbash04..

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 12:56 AM

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "Denny Gibson" <denny@d...> wrote:

 

> Made it to the wigwams in Cave City in the rain on Thursday.

 

 

 

Give Ivan my best! (He probably doesn't remember me, because it's been a

 

long time

 

since we stayed there, but I hope to remedy that one of these weekends if we

 

can

 

ever shake free to sneak down there.)

 

 

 

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Belleville, IL

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FROM KEN BERNSTEIN, PRESIDENT

 

LOS ANGELES CONSERVANCY

 

 

 

The Conservancy needs your immediate help to ensure that Mayor Hahn's

 

proposed 2004-5 budget does not completely devastate Los Angeles'

 

historic preservation program.

 

 

 

The budget proposes to eliminate all but one staff position from the

 

Cultural Affairs Department's historic preservation program and

 

transfer this single remaining position to the Planning Department,

 

along with the five-member Cultural Heritage Commission.

 

 

 

Presently, the preservation program has three full-time staff

 

members, plus several staff members who provide part-time support on

 

crucial preservation projects. The Cultural Heritage Commission

 

oversees the designation and protection of over 750 Historic-Cultural

 

Monuments (local landmarks). The Cultural Affairs Department's

 

historic preservation division also administers the Mills Act

 

program, a property tax incentive for owners of historic properties

 

that is the only meaningful financial incentive for historic

 

preservation at the local level. Over 180 historic property owners

 

participate in the Mills Act program, which has helped to spur the

 

adaptive reuse that is fueling housing and economic regeneration

 

citywide. Under these draconian cuts, the Mills Act program simply

 

could not continue, and the City's oversight of our most cherished

 

historic sites would be lax, at best.

 

 

 

In contrast, the City of New York's Landmarks Commission has a staff

 

of over 50. Pasadena, a city about 1/20th the size of Los Angeles,

 

has a staff of six for its preservation program. Los Angeles, a city

 

of nearly 4,000,000 residents, may soon match the preservation

 

staffing of the City of Vernon, a tiny industrial city of only 91

 

residents!

 

 

 

While the City of Los Angeles is facing its most dire budget outlook

 

in recent memory, it continues to pass up the opportunity to attract

 

outside dollars to help pay for its preservation program. Los Angeles

 

remains the only large city in California not to participate in

 

the "Certified Local Government" program of the National Park Service

 

and the State Office of Historic Preservation, making the city

 

ineligible for State and Federal funds to support historic

 

preservation planning. When he ran for office in 2001, Mayor Hahn

 

promised in a Conservancy interview to support the single ordinance

 

change necessary to have Los Angeles become a CLG: all that is needed

 

is to pass a proposed amendment, introduced more than two years ago

 

by Councilmember Cindy Miscikowski, requiring that at least two of

 

the five Cultural Heritage Commissioners have a background in

 

architecture, planning, history, or related fields a standard today's

 

Cultural

 

Heritage Commission already meets! Yet, the current administration

 

has failed to

 

move forward with this ordinance.

 

 

 

What You Can Do...To Preserve Preservation in the City of Los Angeles

 

The City Council's Budget and Finance Committee is about to begin

 

hearings on the Mayor's budget proposals, and may recommend changes

 

to the full City Council. It's critical that you immediately contact

 

your Councilmember and the five members of the Budget and Finance

 

Committee: Bernard Parks, Cindy Miscikowski, Eric Garcetti, Tony

 

Cardenas, and Greig Smith. E-mail links to all Councilmembers are

 

available from this page on our website:

 

http://www.laconservancy.org/issues/councilmember_email.php4

 

Please copy the Conservancy (info@laconservancy.org) on your

 

correspondence.

 

 

 

The Council phone numbers now correspond to their Council District

 

numbers, as follows:

 

District 1: Ed Reyes, (213) 473-7001

 

District 2: Wendy Greuel, (213) 473-7002

 

District 3: Dennis Zine, (213) 473-7003

 

District 4: Tom LaBonge, (213) 473-7004

 

District 5: Jack Weiss, (213) 473-7005

 

District 6: Tony Cardenas, (213) 473-7006

 

District 7: Alex Padilla, (213) 473-7007

 

District 8: Bernard Parks, (213) 473-7008

 

District 9: Jan Perry, (213) 473-7009

 

District 10: Martin Ludlow, (213) 473-7010

 

District 11: Cindy Miscikowski, (213) 473-7011

 

District 12: Greig Smith, (213) 473-7012

 

District 13: Eric Garcetti, (213) 473-7013

 

District 14: Antonio Villaraigosa, (213) 473-7014

 

District 15: Janice Hahn, (213) 473-7015

 

Thank you for your help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, a petition to save the Cultural Heritage Commission has been

 

created. This is URGENT! According to Ken Bernstein, the budget

 

meeting may occur as soon as Tuesday next.

 

 

 

Please, this is a big fire, we need to put it out ASAP!

 

 

 

http://www.petitiononline.com/saveCH/petition.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Pat B.

Hi all...

 

Jennifer's been busy updating our personal website with a bunch of

 

old trips for your viewing pleasure. They can be found at:

 

http://roadtripmemories.com/.. Scroll down to "Latest Updates" for the

 

new entries.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

Pat Bremer

 

American Road Yahoo Group Moderator

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Guest Denny Gibson

Excellent insight, Frank. Thanks for the explanation. It's a bit curious

 

that that the error was not noted by Stewart but, of course, correcting the

 

photo and leaving the text untouched was the easiest way out. But it seems

 

even more curious that the Vales did not mention it.

 

 

 

I was also a little surprised at the number of photos the Vales did not

 

include. There are cases where they talk of spending considerable effort

 

finding a site then another will be omitted without explanation. But, even

 

with the omissions, the 1983 book is still a good read and a good companion

 

to Stewart's work.

 

 

 

Glad to hear that your own book is progressing. That's one I've been looking

 

forward to. I hope to be near the front of the line when you do your first

 

signing at the Westerville Barnes & Nobel.

 

 

 

BTW, I hope you were able to eBay away your excess stock and weren't forced

 

to tie up a shelf with all 15 copies of the same book.

 

 

 

--Denny

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:49 AM

 

To: AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com

 

Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

 

 

In George Stewart's 1953 book, U.S. 40, he included 114 photographs

 

(counting the multiple photos and the Names section in the back).

 

About a third of those pictures were shot in the summer of 1949 and

 

the remainder in the summer and autumn of 1950. Stewart shot all

 

but one of the photos. The Blue Springs, MO photo was shot by his

 

son Jack.

 

 

 

Stewart accidentally submitted the wrong photo for the Hogback

 

essay. The first printing of the book contains a view to the east

 

of the Hogback. Immediately after publication, Stewart caught the

 

error and a second printing was released. There is no way to

 

differentiate between the two editions except to look at the Hogback

 

photos.

 

 

 

According to Stewart's royalty statements, Houghton Mifflin sold

 

about 20,000 copies of the book. There is no indication how many

 

were of the first printing and the second. My assessment is that

 

there are more copies of the first printing than the second. I had

 

to buy about 15 copies before I found one with for the second

 

printing.

 

 

 

As many of you may know, I am busy doing a proper update for the

 

book. With all due respect to the Vales, their work is incomplete

 

(covering only 72% of the original). My goal is to rephotograph all

 

114 scenes. I can't figure out why the Vales left out so many

 

scenes. I've put in about ten years of research into the location

 

of every photo. The Vales' book appears to be rather hastily

 

assembled. If they were unable to pinpoint a location, it seems as

 

if they just moved on.

 

 

 

I've rephotographed 70+ scenes so far in B&W, chromes and 360-degree

 

panoramas. I am also noting the GPS coordinates to assist whoever

 

does the update 50 years from now.

 

 

 

I am also considering adding as many as 35 unpublished Stewart

 

photos to my project. (He shot almost 1,000 pictures on those two

 

trips.)

 

 

 

If all goes well, I hope to get it to press in the next year or so.

 

 

 

BTW, Stewart made one error in the book that has troubled readers

 

for years. In the Bit of the Old West essay, Stewart says the photo

 

was taken west of St. Mary's. This is wrong. For years I scoured

 

the Kansas countryside and was unable to find the location. When I

 

reviewed Stewart's field notebooks, I saw that the photo was shot

 

east of St. Mary's. For anyone trying to find that location, it is

 

along Anthony Road on a gentle slope about a mile north of what is

 

now U.S. 24.

 

 

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

Frank Brusca

 

Westerville, Ohio

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A 'why US 24' answer, not that anyone asked

 

 

 

The US 24 area sign in Kansas along the US 40 project would have been

 

okay along US 40N, but that designation had been replaced in 1935.

 

 

 

US 40 was split N-S from Manhattan, KS to Limon, CO, and US 40S

 

continued to Grand Junction.

 

 

 

When US 24 was extended, it fully replaced the N leg, then replaced the

 

S spur route.

 

 

 

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--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "fbrusca" <frank@...> wrote:

 

 

 

> If all goes well, I hope to get it to press in the next year or so.

 

 

 

Frank,

 

Does this mean the problem you encountered finding a publisher a few

 

years ago has been resolved? I always wished Stewart would've given a

 

little more attention to Indiana in that book, but I'm a little biased

 

that way. :-)

 

 

 

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Speedway, IN

 

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I think the photo error was one of those oops moments for Stewart. He corrected

 

it and moved on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of the Vales' omissions, here are some likely rationale for their coverage (and

 

lack thereof):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New Castle - The original photo was shot from a ferry boat. Since the ferry was

 

discontinued in 1951, I am hiring a charter boat to take me mid river.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush River - I'm perplexed over this omission. The location is very easy to

 

find.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ridge & Valley - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narrows - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coal Mine - The site is easy to find, however the mountain is not heavily

 

forested. They probably elected not to shoot this scene since a contemporary

 

photo is difficult to achieve. I've done some winter photography at a nearby

 

location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mileposts - These three sites are very easy to find. All three signs are now

 

gone, though, and that may have been the reason the Vales didn't try to

 

replicate the scenes. The cast iron milepost is now in a museum. The milestone

 

had been on a highway supervisor's front yard for about 30 years and then it

 

disappeared after his death. The wooden sign (a major safety hazard by today's

 

standards) has been replaced by a simple sign on the right shoulder. The farm

 

buildings in the last photo are still standing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Roadside Vendor - This was very hard to pinpoint and that may have been one

 

reason the Vales opted out on this scene. I was able to pinpoint the scene only

 

when I viewed the original negative through a loupe. The street sign in the

 

background is clear as can be in the neg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Road Making - Another curious omission. Granted the scene has changed

 

considerably since 1950, by a little bit of leg work revealed the location to

 

me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Double Highway - The Vales indicated they did not want to climb the rickety old

 

water tower at this scene. That's understandable. Today, however, a

 

communications tower stands on that site. I have made arrangements to get a

 

photo from the tower - perhaps this summer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sign Post - This is another curious omission. The scene has changed

 

dramatically and is important for a then-and-now comparison. A major inner city

 

highway now runs to the right of the scene - where the building with the Country

 

Club Beer ad formerly stood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Bit of the Old West - Stewart's location error has thrown all of us off. I

 

spent about 20 afternoons in St. Mary's and was unable to locate it. Only when

 

I reread Stewart's notes was I able to pinpoint the location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two Species - The scene hasn't changed much. My guess is that the Vales blinked

 

and drove right by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Target of Opportunity - This section is on an abandoned alignment. My guess is

 

that they were on the new road and drove right by it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great Basin - This is an incredibly dangerous photo to shoot. I was nearly

 

killed shooting this scene.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forty Mile Desert - Obviously, the Vales chose not to include the aerials.

 

Probably for budgetary reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highway and River - ditto.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forest Primeval - This scene is very tough to find, but a few days of leg work,

 

and some assistance from the Forest Service, enabled me to find it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Names Section - I still don't understand why these photos weren't attempted by

 

the Vales. There are some good scenes - especially in the original photos!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the Vales' defense, I realize that they had a very short schedule and a very

 

limited budget. I have spent many years making trips, writing letters, sending

 

e-mails and making phone calls to ensure accuracy and complete coverage. So

 

far, I've had to pay for everything myself (the Vales did have a small grant).

 

I owe a great deal to the Vales for their work. Thanks to them, a few of the

 

more problematic scenes were very easy to locate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Frank Brusca

 

 

 

Westerville, Ohio

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Publisher problems will never be solved. :-)

 

 

 

At this moment I am without publisher. I am dedicating my time towards

 

field work and writing. As the manuscript nears completion, I think

 

publishers will be more receptive. Seeing the completed work will give

 

them a better idea of what I'm doing. Another thing in my favor is the

 

flood of then-and-now photography books on the market.

 

 

 

Frank Brusca

 

Westerville, Ohio

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:33 AM

 

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Subject: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

--- In AMERICAN_ROAD@yahoogroups.com, "fbrusca" <frank@...> wrote:

 

 

 

> If all goes well, I hope to get it to press in the next year or so.

 

 

 

Frank,

 

Does this mean the problem you encountered finding a publisher a few

 

years ago has been resolved? I always wished Stewart would've given a

 

little more attention to Indiana in that book, but I'm a little biased

 

that way. :-)

 

 

 

Pat B.

 

Speedway, IN

 

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Between Topeka and Junction City, U.S. 40 ran north of the Kansas River

 

on what is now the U.S. 24 alignment. According to my old road maps,

 

the alignment moved south of the river in the mid-1950s.

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:14 AM

 

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Subject: Re: [AMERICAN_ROAD] Re: US-40 Book/Picture question

 

 

 

A 'why US 24' answer, not that anyone asked

 

 

 

The US 24 area sign in Kansas along the US 40 project would have been

 

okay along US 40N, but that designation had been replaced in 1935.

 

 

 

US 40 was split N-S from Manhattan, KS to Limon, CO, and US 40S

 

continued to Grand Junction.

 

 

 

When US 24 was extended, it fully replaced the N leg, then replaced the

 

S spur route.

 

 

 

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THANK YOU FRANK!!!!!!!! Now we know we're not crazy

 

or hallucinating!!!!!!!

 

 

 

I must have a 1st edition, since the Hog Back photo

 

in my book does NOT match the photo shown in the Vail

 

book on page 106!!!!!! LOL

 

 

 

Happy Traveling - from the research you're doing I'd

 

say you're planning on another book on 40 - should

 

plan it to come out around 2013, which would be the

 

60th anniversary of the Stewart book.

 

 

 

Hudsonly,

 

Alex B

 

 

 

--- fbrusca <frank@kingsfield.com> wrote:

 

 

 

> In George Stewart's 1953 book, U.S. 40, he included

 

> 114 photographs

 

> (counting the multiple photos and the Names section

 

> in the back).

 

> About a third of those pictures were shot in the

 

> summer of 1949 and

 

> the remainder in the summer and autumn of 1950.

 

> Stewart shot all

 

> but one of the photos. The Blue Springs, MO photo

 

> was shot by his

 

> son Jack.

 

>

 

> Stewart accidentally submitted the wrong photo for

 

> the Hogback

 

> essay. The first printing of the book contains a

 

> view to the east

 

> of the Hogback. Immediately after publication,

 

> Stewart caught the

 

> error and a second printing was released. There is

 

> no way to

 

> differentiate between the two editions except to

 

> look at the Hogback

 

> photos.

 

>

 

> According to Stewart's royalty statements, Houghton

 

> Mifflin sold

 

> about 20,000 copies of the book. There is no

 

> indication how many

 

> were of the first printing and the second. My

 

> assessment is that

 

> there are more copies of the first printing than the

 

> second. I had

 

> to buy about 15 copies before I found one with for

 

> the second

 

> printing.

 

>

 

> As many of you may know, I am busy doing a proper

 

> update for the

 

> book. With all due respect to the Vales, their work

 

> is incomplete

 

> (covering only 72% of the original). My goal is to

 

> rephotograph all

 

> 114 scenes. I can't figure out why the Vales left

 

> out so many

 

> scenes. I've put in about ten years of research

 

> into the location

 

> of every photo. The Vales' book appears to be

 

> rather hastily

 

> assembled. If they were unable to pinpoint a

 

> location, it seems as

 

> if they just moved on.

 

>

 

> I've rephotographed 70+ scenes so far in B&W,

 

> chromes and 360-degree

 

> panoramas. I am also noting the GPS coordinates to

 

> assist whoever

 

> does the update 50 years from now.

 

>

 

> I am also considering adding as many as 35

 

> unpublished Stewart

 

> photos to my project. (He shot almost 1,000

 

> pictures on those two

 

> trips.)

 

>

 

> If all goes well, I hope to get it to press in the

 

> next year or so.

 

>

 

> BTW, Stewart made one error in the book that has

 

> troubled readers

 

> for years. In the Bit of the Old West essay,

 

> Stewart says the photo

 

> was taken west of St. Mary's. This is wrong. For

 

> years I scoured

 

> the Kansas countryside and was unable to find the

 

> location. When I

 

> reviewed Stewart's field notebooks, I saw that the

 

> photo was shot

 

> east of St. Mary's. For anyone trying to find that

 

> location, it is

 

> along Anthony Road on a gentle slope about a mile

 

> north of what is

 

> now U.S. 24.

 

>

 

> Cheers!

 

>

 

> Frank Brusca

 

> Westerville, Ohio

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/27/2004 1:55:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

 

denny@dennygibson.com writes:

 

 

 

 

 

> I'd

 

> kind of like to save those for end-to-end runs some day plus I've been on

 

> most of the PA bits of the National & US 22. Any thoughts?

 

>

 

 

 

Denny,

 

 

 

Just my 2-cents here. Here's what I'd do, if I had a few days to kill in

 

Pennsylvania. I'd head north from State College to Wellsboro, which is on

 

Route

 

6, then follow Route 6 west across the top of PA until it puts you back in

 

Ohio. Route 6 is absolutely one of my favorite "slow lane" drives. It's just

 

beautiful, and there are charming towns, lots of great mom 'n pop motels and

 

diners, and some pretty spectacular scenery, too. Check it out at

 

www.paroute6.com.

 

 

 

Laurel Kane

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